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		<title>By: Andrew Coulson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Coulson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad, I discuss the Chicago NAEP score gains (such as they are) here: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/07/09/debate-over-duncans-record-in-chicago/ &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a nutshell: The 1% increase in NAEP scores Chicago made under Duncan is indeed near zero, just as I said, and is statistically indistinguishable from the miniscule increases made in all other large cities around the country. So Duncan&#039;s value-added above other urban superintendents was precisely zero.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given this, do you not agree that Duncan has been padding his resume -- and that the media have been his credulous accomplices -- by relying on the highly dubious gains on the &quot;realigned&quot; ISAT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, I discuss the Chicago NAEP score gains (such as they are) here: <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/07/09/debate-over-duncans-record-in-chicago/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato-at-liberty.org.....n-chicago/</a> </p>
<p>In a nutshell: The 1% increase in NAEP scores Chicago made under Duncan is indeed near zero, just as I said, and is statistically indistinguishable from the miniscule increases made in all other large cities around the country. So Duncan&#39;s value-added above other urban superintendents was precisely zero.</p>
<p>Given this, do you not agree that Duncan has been padding his resume &#8212; and that the media have been his credulous accomplices &#8212; by relying on the highly dubious gains on the &quot;realigned&quot; ISAT?</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are the most important stastics in terms of helping students have successful high school careers and successful lives?  I&#039;d argue that 8th grade reading is the real gateway stat.  Chicago&#039;s 8th grade reading scores increased from 249 to 250 over those five years.  Worse, the scores of the bottom quartile dropped from 231 to 228.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We gotta keep our eyes on the real prize.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which leads to Duncan&#039;s latest distraction, in the toughest schools allowing cell phones is suicidal.  How can we ban guns from schools and not ban the technology that makes guns so much more dangerous?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not just a distraction.  This is a reminder of a fundamental flaw of NCLB-type accountability.  We looked at the poorest NEIGHBORHOOD schools through the prism of less challenging schools.  NCLB II, in addition to a completely different accountability system, needs to focus on poor students and poor schools in their own right not through theories that come out of different types of schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad,</p>
<p>What are the most important stastics in terms of helping students have successful high school careers and successful lives?  I&#39;d argue that 8th grade reading is the real gateway stat.  Chicago&#39;s 8th grade reading scores increased from 249 to 250 over those five years.  Worse, the scores of the bottom quartile dropped from 231 to 228.</p>
<p>We gotta keep our eyes on the real prize.</p>
<p>Which leads to Duncan&#39;s latest distraction, in the toughest schools allowing cell phones is suicidal.  How can we ban guns from schools and not ban the technology that makes guns so much more dangerous?</p>
<p>This is not just a distraction.  This is a reminder of a fundamental flaw of NCLB-type accountability.  We looked at the poorest NEIGHBORHOOD schools through the prism of less challenging schools.  NCLB II, in addition to a completely different accountability system, needs to focus on poor students and poor schools in their own right not through theories that come out of different types of schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Imazeki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Imazeki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no real opinion about Duncan&#039;s performance but I&#039;m not sure I see the contradiction in the actual data (though certainly the Cato spin is less favorable than yours) - the 1st analysis refers to comparing the progress in Chicago to the progress in other large cities while the 2nd only refers to the progress in Chicago. Students could have done better in Chicago (i.e., scores went up), suggesting Duncan was &#039;successful&#039; but if scores in all other large cities went up as well, by similar amounts, then it becomes harder to say that Duncan was &#039;exceptional&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no real opinion about Duncan&#39;s performance but I&#39;m not sure I see the contradiction in the actual data (though certainly the Cato spin is less favorable than yours) &#8211; the 1st analysis refers to comparing the progress in Chicago to the progress in other large cities while the 2nd only refers to the progress in Chicago. Students could have done better in Chicago (i.e., scores went up), suggesting Duncan was &#39;successful&#39; but if scores in all other large cities went up as well, by similar amounts, then it becomes harder to say that Duncan was &#39;exceptional&#39;.</p>
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